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March 1, 2007
An Interview with Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah - the President of Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra
Kazhagam (TMMK). TMMK is organising a rally in Delhi on March 7th to press for
reservation for Muslims
Website: http://www.tmmk.in
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Kayalpatnam.com>What is the purpose behind the March 7th rally in Delhi?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>Kerala and Karnataka have had separate reservation for the muslim
community for very long. Reservation for muslims was part of the Congress manifesto during the last general
election. It was also part of the Common Minimum Program of the current coaltion government. We are pressing
the government to act on this.
The recent Supreme Court direction - asking the States not to exceed 50% in providing quotas to various
communities has alarmed a lot of people. India is a union of many states - each with its different demographic
composition. We are asking the government to change the law - to allow each of the states to set its own upper
limit on percentage of reservation allowed.
We are asking the government to fully implement the Sachar Committee report - especially its direction to
allot 1,00,000 crore rupees in the 11th planning commission allocations for building educational
institutions that would help muslim community, its direction to allot at least 35,000 crore rupees to set up
basic technology education centers (like ITI) and provide political representation to muslims from local
bodies up to Parliament.
Some of these things are possible only through Central government’s action. Hence the rally is being organised
in Delhi. This would also help in raising all India awareness.
Kayalpatnam.com>Who are expected to attend the rally?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>A lot of organisations from Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and several other
states are expected to attend. The rally would commence from Ram Lila grounds in Delhi and reach
parliament. Later a delegation would hand over a memorandum containing our demands to the Prime
Minister.
Many prominent leaders are expected to attend. Some of them are - Janab G.M. Banatwala (former IUML leader),
Prof. Sulaiman (INL), Dr. Rashid Choudhury (Assam), Jamat-e-Islami leader Janab Farook, All
India Muslim Personal Law Board member Janab SQR Ilyas, MIM Hyderabad’s Janab Owaisi, Janab Syed
Sahabuddin from Majlis-e-Sherawat, Jamath-e-Ahlal Hadees’ Janab Imam Mahdi Asgar and several
others.
About 10,000 people from Tamil Nadu are expected to attend the rally.
Kayalpatnam.com>How important is reservation actually? Take Tamil Nadu for example. We have had
reservation for backward communities for many decades now. But the level of poverty is still high here.
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>Reservation does help. Take the case of Scheduled Castes. From 1955 until mid
1970s, when compared with the muslim community, number of graduates from the SC community was quite low.
Thanks to reservations, this gap has narrowed and today SC community exceeds the muslims in producing graduates.
This is according to Sachar Committee report.
Kayalpatnam.com>What about the creamy layer issue?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>It is a tactic of the Brahmin community to divert attention.
Kayalpatnam.com>But isn’t it true that if we have reservation, only the rich from the community are going
to get benefited? How many of the poor are going to be actually benefited? If you take Medical seats, there
are about 20,000 seats of them all over India. If you were to apply 10% reservation, for example, how many
people from the 40 lakh muslim community going to be directly benefited by it?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>It will help even a poor man to get into colleges. I have seen many examples
of people benefiting from the reservation. Whether rich or poor, it is going to be someone from the community
only. Vanniyar community is a good example of people who benefited from the MBC quota.
Kayalpatnam.com>What are the top issues before the muslim community today?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>I would say education is the top priority. This is because education
provides the opportunity to improve one’s living standard. If you ask some one, why he is not doing well
economically, he would say he doesn’t have job or good job. He doesn’t get good job because he doesn’t have
good education. If you want education, you must get admission to good institutes. This is a vicious
circle.
That is why we feel primary education is very important. Our muslim community had set up many colleges in
the State. There are dozens of them. But we didn’t set up as many schools. This is a tremendous handicap
today.
Kayalpatnam.com>What should be the role of government in addressing the issues facing the muslim
community and the role of private organisations in addressing the problems?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>Major portion of the work needs to be done by the government, because only
the government can improve and provide the infrastructure. Take (approach) roads for example to muslim areas.
This cannot be done by private bodies.
Every Jamath today controls a mosque, graveyard and so on. They must be encouraged to start a primary
school. They can create an education fund for this. People must come forward to set up schools,
I.T.I.s, educational centers for women. Education would be one of the focuses of the Delhi rally.
Kayalpatnam.com>Is TMMK focusing on education only since recently?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>Education has been a priority from the beginning. We have addressed this issue
in many of our platforms in the past.
Kayalpatnam.com>There used to be just IUML and INL in the past. Now there are many parties
addressing the muslim constituency. Wouldn’t it be better if all of them work together?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>It is a democratic country. Everyone is free to start a party. All you need
is a rubber stamp and letter head. However, people will know, government will know - who has the backing of
majority of the community.
Kayalpatnam.com>On important issues at least, the muslim parties could work together.
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>We have invited many organisations to join the Delhi rally.
Kayalpatnam.com>Was Tamil Nadu Thowheed Jamath (TNTJ) invited?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>Except TNTJ. TNTJ is one organisation that seems determined to destroy our
movement. Its leader himself has said as much.
Kayalpatnam.com>You support the ruling alliance that is in power in Tamil Nadu. Has that in anyway
forced you to alter your style of functioning, removing the sting from your utterances?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>Not at all. The present government has made a good start. Members of the
muslim community are getting their due shares. On reservation, we have given one year time for the DMK
government to act. There are two muslim ministers in the DMK government. You compare that with the
situation during Ms.Jayalalitha’s period. Today, muslim officials are given postings based on their
talent - whether as Collectors of districts or to senior police levels. This was not the case during past
administration.
For improving the educational facilities of muslims, we have given several inputs to the state government.
We hope to see it being reflected in the coming Tamil Nadu budget.
Kayalpatnam.com>On Prisoners issue, what steps have TMMK taken?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>A lot. We have raised that issue with the government - including with the CM - at
every given opportunity. It is a legal issue. Unlike other promises made by the government (like free rice
etc), which can be implemented simply through a Government Order (GO), this is more complicated. Judgment on
the Kovai Blast Case is expected by March or April. We also hope to hear good news on the case of
other prisoners soon.
I would like to point out - after we had taken this issue seriously with the government, Ms.Jayalalitha
has set up a group to monitor the issue.
On Mr.Madhani bail issue, Kerala government has shown interest. We wish our government also expeditites
its action.
Kayalpatnam.com>TMMK doesn’t stand in elections. Will this change in the future? How sincere is
this position not to take part in the election? Some would call it seeking power without responsibility.
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>There are several objectives that we want to see fulfilled for the benefit of all
muslims. Till that is achieved, we do not want to stand in elections. This gives us the flexibility. If you
stand in elections, sometimes the bigger parties try to please you by giving a few seats in the elections. In
our view, that wouldn’t benefit the community.
Kayalpatnam.com>Does it mean you will stand in elections once the objectives are reached?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>We will cross the bridge when we reach it. But the bridge is too far away as
of now!
Kayalpatnam.com>What are the future plans of TMMK?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>Over the past 12 years, TMMK had done several works. We are well known today -
among the Muslims as well as Non-Muslims - for the social work we are doing. Whether it is in organising
blood donation camps, ambulance services or the help rendered during the Tsunami and the floods, we have
seen our cadre to be of great service to the society.
Over the next 10 or so years, we want to focus on empowerment - on the social, economic and political
matters.
Kayalpatnam.com>TMMK was expected to be a different party from other cadre-based parties. How do
you ensure that the members who join the organisation are of good character?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>We are a mass-based organisation. There are no restrictions on membership.
However, we expect them to be not involved in any immoral activity and to be of good character. Every
member is given proper training at the start.
Kayalpatnam.com>There have been allegations about Katta Panchayats.
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>It is not true. TMMK doesn’t encourage Katta Panchayats. It is a large
organisation. There could be a handful of miscreants, but when identified, we have taken action. In
Kayalpatnam, for example, when certain things were brought to our attention, we removed a whole bunch of people
from the organisation.
Kayalpatnam.com>It has been over 12 years since TMMK was founded. What would you list as your
happiest moments and what as saddest moments?
Prof.M.H.Jawahirullah>When TMMK was founded years ago, it was not easiest of times. To have been
there right at the start as a founding member gives me happiness. To see the spirit of service deeply
engrained in every TMMK member also gives me joy. I will give you one example.
This incident was narrated to me by Mr.Prakash, a special correspondent for Nakheeran magazine, at a
journalism workshop. He recalled to me an incident that must have happened about 15 days after the Tsunami
had struck the Tamil Nadu coast (Administrator: December 26, 2004). The scene was Nagapattinam,
utterly devasted by the waves and water. Army and many other agencies were operating in the region. A TMMK
volunteer enters a house - filled with corpses. The bodies were in completely decomposed state. The
TMMK volunteer - without flinching a second - goes on to clear the place, removing the decomposed bodies.
When asked what drives him to do such a work so faithfully, he had replied he does that for the sake of Allah,
not for any earthly rewards. The correspondent told me he was moved when he heard those words. I do not
know who that member was, but I am proud of him and his work.
The saddest moments are to see some people still heap criticism on TMMK - knowingly or unknowingly -
without acknowledging the enormous amount of work we have done and are still doing.
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